TRUMP 2020!

[The Lamb]

Want less cases?
Test less people!

Dude is on crack

Now come one, thats not what he meant. People have to start looking into claims for themselves. That quote came from a presser where he was explaining the rise in reported cases as the increase in testing ability... as in the more you test, the more positives we will show and visa versa.

I would argue that while trump has his flaws, as every president does, the media and social media have done far far far far far far far far far far far more to divide the people and mislead with headlines and snippets like " If we stopped testing right now we would have less cases" with no context. lmao.

[Lachlan]

I cannot make out if you guys are serious or not about liking Trump but I for one want him out of office. Preferably that happens on 1/31/2016. Yes 2016! His term was a major disaster and it can only be beaten by a What definitely be an even worse second term.

I too would like to know what exactly is disastrous about his term. Aside from things he had no real control over-Covid virus, riots, etc.

Won't lie, don't really like trump as a person, but I think he's done a fair job as president-which is honestly how I would prefer things. Better an unlikable arse who does a good job then a lovable loaf who makes a massive mess of things.

And like Dez said, so many people tend to put too much blame on whoever is the president-when honestly the president only leads one of 3 branches. Honestly most problems can be placed on the house and senate.

Edit- and as I said in my 2nd point, I'd rather have someone who can do a good job even if I don't like them, and I really do think biden is starting to develop some sort of Dementia. That alone is enough to keep me from supporting him.

He isn't doing a good job with the Corona virus, the US has got so many coronavirus cases and restrictions and rules in states varies, if he copied Australia (which is where I live) he would probably at least half the amount of people that got coronavirus. He want's to deploy the US army to stop the riots which will make it worse and make the protesters more violent. Sure he doesn't have complete control of what is happening with the coronavirus but he needs to standardize how the US responds to it because right now the response is kinda ineffective and also deploying the army to stop the riots is a bit too far I feel. The US economy is also weakening because of the high amount of cases among other things and the Aussie ecomony is gaining on the US economy even though it was already pre weakened by the bush fires

[Mack]

Want less cases?
Test less people!

Dude is on crack

you obviously dont get what he means there..


we by far have tested way more people than anyone else, so there for our numbers on paper are way higher, simple logic.

what that means is, think about china for a second and their high population.. .. now if they tested the same % of their pooulation we can only assume at this point what the real numbers are.. ..


on top of that those people are infected if you test them or not and everyone still has low mortality rate compared to the influenza so whats the pandimic about

[PhoenixKnight]

can you give a few instances? instead of just opinions

Just look at what he did during the pandemic.
Defunding WHO
Encouraging riots in states with democratic governors but funding more police measures against protests in states with republican governors
He ignored reports about the pandemic from November last year till end of March.
He told governors to fight to get their own resources and denied the role of Federal government to protect the people.
He cares more about manipulating the numbers and economy than the lives of people.

And many more for the pandemic.

He cares only about the wall and held up bipartisan agreed budget for over a month.
Several corruption cases in his administration.

Removing investigators and DAs who are leading investigations into him and his administration.
Cutting funds to UN organization looking into war crimes by US soldiers
Pardoning a convicted war criminal and condemning a captain who protected his crew from a breakout on his ship.

The tax law that was signed expires after 8 years and only for the lower tax brackets which will be almost doubled, in a manner that can only be labeled voter blackmail but the rich and companies get to keep theirs.

Leaving Syria to Russia.
Pulling out of the human rights council
Pulling out of the Paris environmental agreement
Pulling out from NAFTA only to sign one very similar with barely any added value.
Our EU allies no longer trust us and look to their own to lead the free world.
Our enemies have jokes in their countries about how they play him like a puppet.
The entire world have jokes about him being a loud empty drum and a big fat liar.

So to summarize

1. Country more split than ever
2. Allies alienated
3. Enemies having fun
4. Impeding investigation and other crimes both locally and globally
5. 87% of his fact are lies
6. Violation of the first amendment by attacking the media as a sitting president.

And many many more.

[Mack]

I cannot make out if you guys are serious or not about liking Trump but I for one want him out of office. Preferably that happens on 1/31/2016. Yes 2016! His term was a major disaster and it can only be beaten by a What definitely be an even worse second term.

I too would like to know what exactly is disastrous about his term. Aside from things he had no real control over-Covid virus, riots, etc.

Won't lie, don't really like trump as a person, but I think he's done a fair job as president-which is honestly how I would prefer things. Better an unlikable arse who does a good job then a lovable loaf who makes a massive mess of things.

And like Dez said, so many people tend to put too much blame on whoever is the president-when honestly the president only leads one of 3 branches. Honestly most problems can be placed on the house and senate.

Edit- and as I said in my 2nd point, I'd rather have someone who can do a good job even if I don't like them, and I really do think biden is starting to develop some sort of Dementia. That alone is enough to keep me from supporting him.

He isn't doing a good job with the Corona virus, the US has got so many coronavirus cases and restrictions and rules in states varies, if he copied Australia (which is where I live) he would probably at least half the amount of people that got coronavirus. He want's to deploy the US army to stop the riots which will make it worse and make the protesters more violent. Sure he doesn't have complete control of what is happening with the coronavirus but he needs to standardize how the US responds to it because right now the response is kinda ineffective and also deploying the army to stop the riots is a bit too far I feel. The US economy is also weakening because of the high amount of cases among other things and the Aussie ecomony is gaining on the US economy even though it was already pre weakened by the bush fires

that is the job of govoners and mayors they are the ones slacking on a real response..

he has to give them a chance or he would be deamonized for stepping on toes..

he has strongly urged them to bring in the national guard, which is the states duty and is the proper response

[DezNutz]

He isn't doing a good job with the Corona virus, the US has got so many coronavirus cases and restrictions and rules in states varies, if he copied Australia (which is where I live) he would probably at least half the amount of people that got coronavirus. He want's to deploy the US army to stop the riots which will make it worse and make the protesters more violent. Sure he doesn't have complete control of what is happening with the coronavirus but he needs to standardize how the US responds to it because right now the response is kinda ineffective and also deploying the army to stop the riots is a bit too far I feel. The US economy is also weakening because of the high amount of cases among other things and the Aussie ecomony is gaining on the US economy even though it was already pre weakened by the bush fires

To compare how other countries did something vs how the USA did something is a bad comparison, especially considering how the USA is setup.

This is where an understanding of how the US Constitution and the authorities of the Federal Government vs States Governments comes into play. Unless explicitly granted to the Federal Government, all other authorities belong to the States. COVID-19 while a "national emergency" did not incapacitate the state governments, so the President while having some authority would have committed political suicide and a potential Constitutional Crisis if he attempted to overrule the States. The President acted correctly and took actions that were consistent with the purview of the Federal Government to include travel restrictions, monetary support for the States, utilization of the Defense Production Act, etc. The economy taking a hit was not the Presidents fault or a result of his actions.

As far as the riots, the Federal Government and specifically the President is more than authorized to use the military. Rioting is not protected by the 1st Amendment. Rioting and more specifically Occupied/Autonomous Zones can prevent the enforcement of Federal Law. This is covered under the Insurrection Act of 1807. If the states fail to, refuse to, or just can't act, the President is authorized to use Federal Troops (military) to stop any insurrections, rebellions, or civil disobedience. An example of the Presidents ability and use of this Act to use federal troops was during the desegregation of schools in the USA back during the 1950s. State politicians refused to comply to court-ordered desegregation and the President sent in the military to make them comply.

[PhoenixKnight]

Mack,
Incorrect. It is the duty of the federal government especially when it is a global pandemic and exceeds a single state border. Look at the Flu response plan below. If this is for Flu, what do you think COVID-19 should be?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... tation.pdf

There is no constitutional crisis. If the president can declare a national emergency to build a wall or help Texas flood, he can do the same for a pandemic. He just did not want to

[The Lamb]

Ok... I hope everyone realizes a few things...

1. We have major cities with more population than some countries and far greater population density, so of course our covid numbers will be higher.

2. We are a constitutional republic not a democracy. What this means is the states hold the majority of the power to do what is right for each state.

3. The feds generally tend to follow the lead of the states (like in declaring an emergency to grant federal support). The state declares, and asks the feds for help. Most of the bookend states did not want Trumps help for political reasons, and waited too long to request it. Even the mayor of new york was telling residents in march to go out and see the city well after Trump was warning of such events...oh most didnt hear about that? We did

My oldest daughter and wife came to me pist after partially reading some articles that Nick was going to remove paw patrol due to the fact that there is a cop dog. I encouraged them to read the rest of the article where they found out way at the bottom that it was a hoax started on Twitter and propagated on two other large news networks and was not real.

Could it be possible, that there are orgs out there who are actually "stiring" the pot and causing issues, that aren't really there, to try and sway the votes and minds of countless people who follow what they read and see blindly? I mean come on, for three years a group of people actually thought the president of the united states worked for the Russians due to propaganda.... Baaaaaaa baaaaaaaa Looks absurd now, but some actually believed it! Crazy times!

[Haron]

President Schmesident. Bah, USA has one true king, and that is EdwardTeach - long may he rule!

I'm a bit concerned about the governor of Tortuga, though. Is JB-Duke really doing a good job? I think not. Let's hope he doesn't get another term. Have you seen the low import of cotton there lately? And the overpopulation - the island is literally flooded! I blame all those immigrants from Tzogos - build a wall, I say! And is he not a bit too liberal with plantation permissions? Is it really in USAs interests that all those Spanish plantation owners come to Tortuga and take jobs from Americans? I say a stricter line towards Spain is needed!

In summary, I prefer Avonmoran politics to real world politics.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Let’s see, dividing the people, encouraging violence and racism, violating election laws by inviting and seeking foreign intervention, constantly lying even when there is proof he is lying, corruption, undermining the US position globally in more than one avenue, ruining relationships with allies and recognition of hostiles as friends, undermining intelligence reports, impeding investigations, did not put his money into a blind trust, making NDAs and swearing loyalty as a condition to work in the government, not getting any fact straight, passing a tax law that will benefit the rich and only the rich get to keep its benefits in another 4 years but everyone else get it doubled, attacking the media that is protected by the first amendment, inciting violence against opposition, double standards in treatment of the same things based on political gain and racial profiling, financial gains from his political office, holding off WHO finds during a pandemic, not recognizing the role of federal government in fighting pandemic and telling governors fight for resources, calling protests against republican governors as riots but encourages ones against democratic ones, visiting a mask factory without a mask causing an entire day of production to be discarded and the factory to be resanitized, declining to do anything about the pandemic till the end of March while dismissing it at every turn ..., shall I continue?

sure lol continue
dividing the people .... how? i understand the left wants to mind control everyone but in any decision there is supporters and non supporters simple politics ... but you feel he should make everyone hug and sing kumbaya over his decisions?

encouraging violence and racism? and how is he doing that? I would suggest you run two computers one to search only right leaning stories and one to search left leaning stories so you can get out of your apparent echo chamber

violating election laws by inviting and seeking foreign intervention? i guess you got me there you know more than those tasked with finding him guilty of just that and yet found no wrong doings on his part however the evidence of hillary and obummer doing it was pretty clear

constantly lying even when there is proof he is lying only... on stats his ego always leads his bravado to stay hes did better than anyone else or his administration has and in most cases hes about 6th or above in the list of presidents who have done it better although in a couple spots hes number 1 imagine that

undermining the US position globally in more than one avenue, ruining relationships with allies and recognition of hostiles as friends
yes i see your point i guess i can see how removing the usa from alliances that are lecherous and bleed holes on our economy would upset nations as well as renegotiating one sided trade agreements
we have enemies that are our friends 0-0 most nations would love to see the usa fall those who smile and say we love the usa yet do things to undermine our power have been around forever and i have yet to see trump not recognize the potential of anyone he talks to as being a possible enemy ... including putin

undermining intelligence reports, impeding investigations
criminal acts if there was proof of this dont you think it would have aided the impeachment failure?

passing a tax law that will benefit the rich and only the rich get to keep its benefits in another 4 years but everyone else get it doubled
trumps Tax Cut and Jobs Act must be mislabeled silly me lol check the democratic tax increase if democrats get elected lol

I know democrats like to believe words are equal to a physical attack but its not and trump can scream fake news and continue pointing out the political agenda each organization represents and it will still be a fact (oooh look hes right on a fact) he has not impeded their ability to put their garbage in print or on the airwaves because he understands the first amendment funny you think he doesnt have the same right

inciting violence against opposition
lmmfao what bubble are you in how many hillary supporters were attacked physically for voicing being with hillary and how many were attacked for wearing trump slogan artlicles of clothing lol most of what you write is backwards and is perpetrated by the other side

double standards in treatment of the same things based on political gain and racial profiling
oh you mean like a democratic mayor allowing domestic terrorism to pander for votes? or do you mean the atlanta da making egragious charges before an investigation was completed to pander for the same votes
or? yeah im waiting for more on this

holding off WHO finds during a pandemic
not sure what you meant here it needs to be rewritten or explained its either missing something or written wrong

not recognizing the role of federal government in fighting pandemic
oh you mean like instituting a travel ban to contain it despite being called racist by doing so or perhaps when he mentions a possible drug to help combat it and gets laughed at lol thats now being used or maybe when he says resterilization of masks may be possible and again the left laughs and yet new businesses sprung up to do just that

telling governors fight for resources
the only thing i can think off there is possibly cuomo stating he needed 40k ventitlators and trump laughing at that as he should
i suggest you research the death rate on ventilators and then research how many were actually used
cuomo was being a greedy money grabbing prick

calling protests against republican governors as riots but encourages ones against democratic ones
protests are gatherings normally on traditional forum spaces side walks in front of public buildings etc and the behavior is regulated for protests as well you know you can holler chant wave banners and posters flags etc
the second you begin defacing public property or creating damage through broken windows or include fires fights or looting its no longer a protest and it becomes criminal acts deserving of prison time
that being said show me one instance where republican protesters were encouraged to do any of those things but if you show me 1 ill show you over 100 where democrats have been allowed to do it while being encouraged to do it by democrats .... all for votes
i hate to break it to you but republicans are notorious for not doing those things and historically take forever to even intervene let alone introduce legislation against criminal behavior of those idiots

as for not doing anything about the pandemic ... do some research outside cnn

as for the mask science said masks were bad now say they are good when in fact you need to go look at the study involving masks


look i like ya phoenix so i got to tell ya you really need to get out of that echo chamber you are in
i research stories from both sides to get a more comprehensive outlook on every issue i look into
i use seperate computers for that so i do get the echo chamber effect x2 its great for finding stories from both sides but
it seems to be really affecting your ability to see truth

the fanatical lies of the left come out of you with the hatred they endorse
republicans like facts not feelings
do a quick search of #walkaway (on a computer other than yours because yours will try to call it a fake movement... prove me wrong) and you will see dems explaining why they are walking away from the party of hate

but yes please do continue




ps as for jokes i bet Suleimani had jokes too lol