The young people of the day

[Meliva]

I agree. The amount of videos I see about police violence... or that's what they're called anyway. I see it as police trying to do their jobs and people not complying. Not saying that it's the same in every case, but most of them. If you're told by police to tale your hands out of your pocket, and you refuse, they have all the right to think you are armed and they have all the right to shoot you on the spot, as in the current day and ave you don't know who is a real threat

Exactly, I really hate it when people talk about police violence and act like the cops are the problems. the vast majority of the time if you act polite, and do what a cop says then the worst that will happen to you is a ticket or being arrested. They wont just whip out a Taser or gun on someone for no reason. And honestly those who like to criticize them and call them killers should ask themselves a question-if they had a gun, and believed another individual had a gun as well and was going to kill them or other innocent people would they shoot first? I sure as hell would, I might feel bad for having to do it, but I certainly would.

And yeah grim a lot of times people often follow the herd due to peer pressure and herd mentality. The worse people these days in my opinion(aside from certain criminals) are those who wont attempt to reason with others and constantly pushes their beliefs onto others and shame those who don't agree and refuses to even listen to what others say and ignores any facts that contradict them. I really dislike those who say theres evidence to back up their beliefs but when asked for said evidence they respond with crap like "I wont do the work for you find it yourself."

[Kangaroo]

It's a lot easier to be even minded when you aren't the one being pre-judged/arrested/mistreated for the colour of your skin.
There are genuine geographical clusters of this happening in most countries including Australia, not just in the USA.

People having the right to protest peacefully is a fundamental underpinning of a genuine democracy, regardless of whether the protest is about racial persecution, the right to bear arms, abortion, or any other human desire. Right or wrong, that's democracy.

These people are not disrespecting anything directly, they are simply choosing a high profile way to protest, ensuring the protest is noticed.
If "taking a knee" is disrespectful a whole bunch of god lovers need to find a new respect posture

[Astragek]

What about kneeling when proposing? How disrespectful!

[Sebena]

What about kneeling when proposing? How disrespectful!

Wait you need to kneel when proposing?

[Kangaroo]

What about kneeling when proposing? How disrespectful!

Totally! lol

[Poppy]

Its a matter of respect not doing as your told or following rules of any kind.
The anthem and the flag stand for so much why would anyone want to disrespect them?

Its because what they stand for isnt being respected by society itself : when society itself ignores justice, equality and freedom : what matters what the flag says? The mockery is not 'disrepecting' the flag and anthem, the mockery is pretending nothings wrong and singing along unthinkingly.

I respect your wite and the way you express yourself Denik. Now stop blocking me

[sXs]

It's a lot easier to be even minded when you aren't the one being pre-judged/arrested/mistreated for the colour of your skin.
There are genuine geographical clusters of this happening in most countries including Australia, not just in the USA.

People having the right to protest peacefully is a fundamental underpinning of a genuine democracy, regardless of whether the protest is about racial persecution, the right to bear arms, abortion, or any other human desire. Right or wrong, that's democracy.

These people are not disrespecting anything directly, they are simply choosing a high profile way to protest, ensuring the protest is noticed.
If "taking a knee" is disrespectful a whole bunch of god lovers need to find a new respect posture

The right to protest has never been an issue. What we have now are paid protesters whose job is to incite. Look at the groups behind the protests. Most do not even have a clue of the basic facts. Kneeling for the National Anthem/flag is not a protest. "Bringing awareness" to something has never fixed/cured it. I find it very odd that NFL players would protest the anthem and the flag. The two symbols of a nation that gave them the opportunity to raise themselves out of the very very conditions they are trying to "bring awareness"too. They make millions of dollars playing a game and choose to protest against a system that allows them to make millions of dollars to play a game.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Its a matter of respect not doing as your told or following rules of any kind.
The anthem and the flag stand for so much why would anyone want to disrespect them?

Its because what they stand for isnt being respected by society itself : when society itself ignores justice, equality and freedom : what matters what the flag says? The mockery is not 'disrepecting' the flag and anthem, the mockery is pretending nothings wrong and singing along unthinkingly.

I respect your wite and the way you express yourself Denik. Now stop blocking me

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[Kangaroo]

It's a lot easier to be even minded when you aren't the one being pre-judged/arrested/mistreated for the colour of your skin.
There are genuine geographical clusters of this happening in most countries including Australia, not just in the USA.

People having the right to protest peacefully is a fundamental underpinning of a genuine democracy, regardless of whether the protest is about racial persecution, the right to bear arms, abortion, or any other human desire. Right or wrong, that's democracy.

These people are not disrespecting anything directly, they are simply choosing a high profile way to protest, ensuring the protest is noticed.
If "taking a knee" is disrespectful a whole bunch of god lovers need to find a new respect posture

The right to protest has never been an issue. What we have now are paid protesters whose job is to incite. Look at the groups behind the protests. Most do not even have a clue of the basic facts. Kneeling for the National Anthem/flag is not a protest. "Bringing awareness" to something has never fixed/cured it. I find it very odd that NFL players would protest the anthem and the flag. The two symbols of a nation that gave them the opportunity to raise themselves out of the very very conditions they are trying to "bring awareness"too. They make millions of dollars playing a game and choose to protest against a system that allows them to make millions of dollars to play a game.

The OP and many of the ensuing posts clearly indicate dismay that these people are protesting in this manner..

"White Establishment" Black man, you came to America, we chose you from the 1000 other slaves to be a sporting hero, you need to celebrate us dude!!!

"Black man" Yo, thanks fo dat shit boss, but what about my 999 brothers?

"White Establishment" Screw them dude, they guilty sombitches you just enjoy what we gave you............

Both cases overstate their respective position, but I have less empathy for the entitled

[Most Lee Harmless]

Back in the USA, after Jesse Owens had won his multiple medals in the Berlin Olympics, having thrown the Nazi ideals of racial superiority back in their faces, he was invited to a celebration dinner for the USA team in a plush swanky hotel : he couldnt go in through the front door, the hotel operated a perfectly legal color bar and thus this hero had to enter via the back door.
The then Cassius Clay faced the same legally operated color bar on his return from Rome clutching his gold medal. As did every other black sportsperson: gold medal winner, superbowl winner, basketball star or less known teammate. As did every musician, singer, comedian or entertainer of color.
During WW2, the US forces insisted the British institute the same color bar in garrison towns : when the Brits refused, the US forces made their own, creating the infamous 'chequerboard', with certain towns and area decreed as being for black troops only. A nation which ran its own informal color bars, which treated its own colonial subjects as third class citizens baulked at making it a legal requirement : what does that say?
So, winning glory and honor for your flag, fighting and dying for your flag meant what exactly? When to protest at the inequality, the disrespect to your skin color, the injustice of it all could be met with 'Whats their problem? They are stars, heroes, look at all we have given them!'.

And it still is.