TRUMP 2020!

[Dmanwuzhere]

Finally, something to refute.
1-there are literally grants and loans SPECIFICALLY given to minorities.
2-do you have any evidence that they were not given high paying jobs because they were people of color? Or was it because someone else was more qualified?
3-More white people are shot by the police then black. Also, the number one cause of death for young black men, is other young black men.
4-I'll concede to that one, as I have no knowledge to refute that at this moment.
5-do you have evidence that their income is lower on average because of discrimination, or because of other factors. Women make on average 87 cents on the dollar to men, but this is due to other factors not that they are women.
6-If the thing keeping them from those positions is money, then that by defination means it isn't biased to them because of their skin color. It means it's biased because others are richer. Also, you can still get those positions even if you lack money, likewise having money doesn't get you those positions just by throwing it around. Remember that one democrat who literally tried to BUY the election? Yeah, he didn't make it very far did he? Despite being a bloody Billionaire. You need to have more then just money.

More white people are shot by the police because there are more white people. The ratio of black deaths is indeed higher than that of whites.

that is a fact but not entirely in context
as i told you before
afro americans make up 15 percent of the population yet are responsible for 90 percent of the crime in America
which means by the numbers you can reasonably say

there are more calls and responses to black individuals
there are less calls and responses to white individuals

yet the black unarmed death rate was 9 last year
and the white unarmed death rate was 19

explain the racism there ... you cant... it doesnt exist
if there is a problem with police brutality it is an issue of its own and not race driven

if you dont care to see that cool as like you i dont care what you think as i told you before i care about facts and all you have is feelings
empirical data is utilized so that numbers paint a picture but you expect to smear that data with tears and then try and paint a new picture


that simply wont work

[Dmanwuzhere]

Its ok if he is, just means one day his attacks will abruptly stop

you will need ghost busters

[Leo the Conqueror]

mate, evidence is needed because without it, what's the point in making any claim at all? I won't just blindly believe in something just because someone tells me about it, that's completely idiotic.

The ratio of violent crimes commited by blacks are also far higher despite their relatively low population. So it makes sense why they get shot more often statistically.

Also, the majority of the population did not own slaves mate. Only about 5% did in the slave holding states. Hell, my ancestors were indentured servants, and the only thing they had going for them was that when they ran off to Texas to leave their debts behind, folks just assumed they were new migrants rather then runaway servants.

Frankly, the numbers simply do not agree with your points. The system isn't unfairly biased against minorities. Until you provide evidence proving otherwise, I won't blindly believe your claims. As I said before, blindly believing something someone says is just plain stupid.

Edit-also, remember, the burden of proof lies on whoever makes a claim. You made the claim that the system is biased against minorities, so it lies on you to provide the proof and evidence.

So basically you are denying that there is a problem. Higher crime rate for minorities is true, but does that make them getting killed right? Of course not! It's because the media drills fear into our brains. That is what is solely responsible for the US's deadly shooting numbers.

Here are the numbers of deaths by gun per capita: Canida - 2, France - 2.83, Germany - 1.04, US - 12.21

I highly suggest you watch Bowling for Columbine which covers this topic. I may be a moron or whatever, but I know my facts.

What Dman said:

Dman, I blocked you for several reasons, one is that you are obviously racist and have no intent to change that. I call myself progressive because that's what I am: progressive. I'm a progressive democrat. I have strong ideals that most moderates would call a pipe dream. That makes me progressive. For instance, I want change with policy on climate change and I want it soon. I also want free healthcare because I believe that living is a human right. I believe in free college because education is a human right. I believe in tight restrictions on firearms including banning automatic weapons, AR-15s and bumpstocks. These are all progressive values. Aren't the 20s and 60s far apart? How could I be living in both at once? Insult me all you want, I'll know that your insults towards me are only to fill the gap where logic and common sense would be.

[Dmanwuzhere]

mate, evidence is needed because without it, what's the point in making any claim at all? I won't just blindly believe in something just because someone tells me about it, that's completely idiotic.

The ratio of violent crimes commited by blacks are also far higher despite their relatively low population. So it makes sense why they get shot more often statistically.

Also, the majority of the population did not own slaves mate. Only about 5% did in the slave holding states. Hell, my ancestors were indentured servants, and the only thing they had going for them was that when they ran off to Texas to leave their debts behind, folks just assumed they were new migrants rather then runaway servants.

Frankly, the numbers simply do not agree with your points. The system isn't unfairly biased against minorities. Until you provide evidence proving otherwise, I won't blindly believe your claims. As I said before, blindly believing something someone says is just plain stupid.

Edit-also, remember, the burden of proof lies on whoever makes a claim. You made the claim that the system is biased against minorities, so it lies on you to provide the proof and evidence.

So basically you are denying that there is a problem. Higher crime rate for minorities is true, but does that make them getting killed right? Of course not! It's because the media drills fear into our brains. That is what is solely responsible for the US's deadly shooting numbers.

Here are the numbers of deaths by gun per capita: Canida - 2, France - 2.83, Germany - 1.04, US - 12.21

I highly suggest you watch Bowling for Columbine which covers this topic. I may be a moron or whatever, but I know my facts.

What Dman said:

Dman, I blocked you for several reasons, one is that you are obviously racist and have no intent to change that. I call myself progressive because that's what I am: progressive. I'm a progressive democrat. I have strong ideals that most moderates would call a pipe dream. That makes me progressive. For instance, I want change with policy on climate change and I want it soon. I also want free healthcare because I believe that living is a human right. I believe in free college because education is a human right. I believe in tight restrictions on firearms including banning automatic weapons, AR-15s and bumpstocks. These are all progressive values. Aren't the 20s and 60s far apart? How could I be living in both at once? Insult me all you want, I'll know that your insults towards me are only to fill the gap where logic and common sense would be.

living is a human right so is dying forcing a doctor to care for you on someone elses dime isnt

currently there is no proposed health care sytem that i would like to replace ours but when you say free you have to know it wont really be free

climate change not even going there not worth the typing

education is a human right if you mean youre experiences are your teacher but currently pell grants are making college free

but creating a campus with someone elses money and hiring the staff needed to teach maintenance and run the school should be done so you get free education again always on someone elses dime

im beginning to think you live with your parent or parents free is not a human right its a human being a leech

when do you personally put into this system? when does something cost you? just how are you entitled to all this free stuff and if its free for everyone who pays... someone has to

As for being a racist
i dont approve of killing 1000 black babies a day .... you do
i dont support Margret Sanger.... you do
i dont approve of black folks rioting and committing crimes which will ruin their lives ... you do
i dont feel black folks are ignorant and cant make their own way.... you do

and i will say that about every color because thats what it all boils down to for you lmao
black is twenty different regional races
white just as many
brown and tan same thing


as for my personal opinion of any race i am german irish and cherokee and i dont care except maybe out of curiosity what anyone else is
if i am a racist you are einstein and we both know that is not the case


*edit just as an after thought you say you cant say a black man is racist because you are white
so if you havent gotten free college or free healthcare
you have proven we are all equal
or did your white privilege get revoked?
being a white in a white ruled world according to you and you have nothing to show for it lol funny stuff right there

[Meliva]

There are defintately problems in the black community, but systemic racism isn't one of them. The issue of many single parent homes is a pretty bad one for starters.

As for them being killed, it depends. Did they try to do anything stupid when a cop showed up? Because I can promise you that most cops don't show up at a incident thinking "oh boy, sure do hope i find me a black man or woman so I can go and shoot them with mah gun". Odds are, if someone got shot by a cop, they did something stupid. Like reached for something suddenly, attack them etc. Now obviously there are cases of brutality, both for whites and blacks, but the entire police system isn't trained to go around hunting black people and gunning them down for no reason.

The US does have a high number of gun deaths, that is a definite issue. Of course, many of those incidents involve people who illegally obtained guns rather then folks with a legal one.

[Leo the Conqueror]

As for being a racist
i dont approve of killing 1000 black babies a day .... you do
i dont support Margret Sanger.... you do
i dont approve of black folks rioting and committing crimes which will ruin their lives ... you do
i dont feel black folks are ignorant and cant make their own way.... you do

I don't approve of killing 1000 black babies a day. What I do approve of is the right to own your own body. Is approving of birth control supposed to be a diss? maybe there wouldn't be so many abortions if birth control was used correctly more often. BTW, I was not aware of Sanger's racist beliefs. I do believe that it was a very long time ago and that Planed Parenthood does not seek to eliminate black people. The only sources I can find about racism in planned parenthood were reffering to the 1920s and nothing newer. Also, I found this: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploa ... t_2016.pdf

I don't approve of rioting although it's to get the attention of the otherwise blind politicians. And you think it's just black folks rioting? Let me tell you something: I live in Minnesota, where both the Philando Castile and George Floyd murders took place. The riots were the biggest here. And yet every person they arrested that was confirmed to have started a fire was from out of state. What we later learned as a state was that neo-nazis had been coming up to Minnesota from the south to riot. They thought it would be a handy moment to start a race war. We had the damn KKK hanging out in our public parks. I'm not saying that it's not citizens of the state that are doing most of this, but saying "black folks rioting" is misleading because there were many many different races at these things. I'm not for the ma and pop stores being burnt to the ground either. I didn't care much when it was just targets and walmarts being destroyed because they would have enough money to easily rebuild. Be careful who you challenge on this issue because it doesn't tend to go down well with some people.

Who said that I think black people are ignorant? I never said that. That's just wrong and bad. I'm not some assimilationist or something, I'm a strong anti-racist.

[Meliva]

MLK proved you could make your point and take a stand against injustice without rioting and violence. So anyone who wants to claim that rioting is to get attention is full of it. If folks were to just use their damn brain and think a little, they could find out ways to non-violently change things.

Also, do you not understand just how damaging it can be when idiots burn down big businesses like Target or Walmart, that just because they have money to rebuild it's mostly harmless? Sure they have the money to rebuild fairly easily, but think about this- do you think that those businesses are going to rebuild in the same area that LITERALLY just burned down their building in the first place? Why on earth would they do that, and risk it being burned down again the next time the locals throw a hissy fit? No, anyone with sense would leave that area for a better one. Taking with them jobs, goods, and services, which hurt the community.

Edit- and even if for some crazy reason they do decide to rebuild, that takes time. So until the store is rebuilt anyone who was employed there is out of a job, and those who shopped there are forced to look elsewhere for goods. Which is still very damaging. So to not really care about big businesses getting destroyed just because they can easily rebuild is foolish.

[Leo the Conqueror]

MLK proved you could make your point and take a stand against injustice without rioting and violence. So anyone who wants to claim that rioting is to get attention is full of it. If folks were to just use their damn brain and think a little, they could find out ways to non-violently change things.

Also, do you not understand just how damaging it can be when idiots burn down big businesses like Target or Walmart, that just because they have money to rebuild it's mostly harmless? Sure they have the money to rebuild fairly easily, but think about this- do you think that those businesses are going to rebuild in the same area that LITERALLY just burned down their building in the first place? Why on earth would they do that, and risk it being burned down again the next time the locals throw a hissy fit? No, anyone with sense would leave that area for a better one. Taking with them jobs, goods, and services, which hurt the community.

I happen to live in the area that this affected and I can tell you that two targets two walmarts and one aldi are ALL REBUILDING in the same location.

MLK is just so easy for white people to like because he talks about love and compassion and all that but Malcom X talked about defending yourself and taking a stand and white people are scared of that.

[Dmanwuzhere]

As for being a racist
i dont approve of killing 1000 black babies a day .... you do
i dont support Margret Sanger.... you do
i dont approve of black folks rioting and committing crimes which will ruin their lives ... you do
i dont feel black folks are ignorant and cant make their own way.... you do

I don't approve of killing 1000 black babies a day. What I do approve of is the right to own your own body. Is approving of birth control supposed to be a diss? maybe there wouldn't be so many abortions if birth control was used correctly more often.

I don't approve of rioting although it's to get the attention of the otherwise blind politicians. And you think it's just black folks rioting? Let me tell you something: I live in Minnesota, where both the Philando Castile and George Floyd murders took place. The riots were the biggest here. And yet every person they arrested that was confirmed to have started a fire was from out of state. What we later learned as a state was that neo-nazis had been coming up to Minnesota from the south to riot. They thought it would be a handy moment to start a race war. We had the damn KKK hanging out in our public parks. I'm not saying that it's not citizens of the state that are doing most of this, but saying "black folks rioting" is misleading because there were many many different races at these things. I'm not for the ma and pop stores being burnt to the ground either. I didn't care much when it was just targets and walmarts being destroyed because they would have enough money to easily rebuild. Be careful who you challenge on this issue because it doesn't tend to go down well with some people.

Who said that I think black people are ignorant? I never said that. That's just wrong and bad. I'm not some assimilationist or something, I'm a strong anti-racist.

nice try you left out the next line

it was.... and i will say that about every color
there you go trying to picasso your own painting of words how you want them

i also dont support the white idiots feeding into the narrative of the left
nor do i support them killing their babies etc

but lets face it they are not whats concerning you
you want to be the black mans champion
i just feel thats unfair as i am positive they can do a much better job for themeselves than you can

[Leo the Conqueror]

As for being a racist
i dont approve of killing 1000 black babies a day .... you do
i dont support Margret Sanger.... you do
i dont approve of black folks rioting and committing crimes which will ruin their lives ... you do
i dont feel black folks are ignorant and cant make their own way.... you do

I don't approve of killing 1000 black babies a day. What I do approve of is the right to own your own body. Is approving of birth control supposed to be a diss? maybe there wouldn't be so many abortions if birth control was used correctly more often.

I don't approve of rioting although it's to get the attention of the otherwise blind politicians. And you think it's just black folks rioting? Let me tell you something: I live in Minnesota, where both the Philando Castile and George Floyd murders took place. The riots were the biggest here. And yet every person they arrested that was confirmed to have started a fire was from out of state. What we later learned as a state was that neo-nazis had been coming up to Minnesota from the south to riot. They thought it would be a handy moment to start a race war. We had the damn KKK hanging out in our public parks. I'm not saying that it's not citizens of the state that are doing most of this, but saying "black folks rioting" is misleading because there were many many different races at these things. I'm not for the ma and pop stores being burnt to the ground either. I didn't care much when it was just targets and walmarts being destroyed because they would have enough money to easily rebuild. Be careful who you challenge on this issue because it doesn't tend to go down well with some people.

Who said that I think black people are ignorant? I never said that. That's just wrong and bad. I'm not some assimilationist or something, I'm a strong anti-racist.

nice try you left out the next line

it was.... and i will say that about every color
there you go trying to picasso your own painting of words how you want them

i also dont support the white idiots feeding into the narrative of the left
nor do i support them killing their babies etc

but lets face it they are not whats concerning you
you want to be the black mans champion
i just feel thats unfair as i am positive they can do a much better job for themeselves than you can

Black man's champion? What the hell kind of B.S. is that? I never said that they can't live for themselves. I feel you are pushing your own racial beliefs onto me and then abandoning them in hopes it will make me look bad or something. oh, BTW apparently the quotes from Sanger were heavily edited and were falsely attributed. https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpoli ... population

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploa ... t_2016.pdf

https://time.com/4081760/margaret-sange ... -eugenics/