Biden 2020

[The Lamb]

Dman, i hate that i am going to do this, but i guess it could be argued that expression is speech, so i could see where it COULD fall under the 1st, however, with that being said... Blue, no where in the first amendment does it say anyone has to believe what anyone else is saying I am free to say im a toaster, it doesn't obligate you to call me General Electric.

Also, blue, we already know that you have issues with knowing forms of governments and economics so im going to give you as slide. Capitalism isnt the problem. You see capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system, while socialism/communism has done more to bring more people down to object poverty.

The proof is in Baltimore.

For someone who wants everyone to have an open mind, i have yet to hear you, with all the information you have been given, change one opinion. Maybe you just dont want to see, and thats fine, but atleast you know

[Dmanwuzhere]

Dman, i hate that i am going to do this, but i guess it could be argued that expression is speech, so i could see where it COULD fall under the 1st, however, with that being said... Blue, no where in the first amendment does it say anyone has to believe what anyone else is saying I am free to say im a toaster, it doesn't obligate you to call me General Electric.

and i will argue that me punching blue in the nose is an expression and it is not covered under the first

neither is graffiti or the other bs on buildings against the owners will that is being labeled protected speech and fines being handed out for removing it

you can argue many things but in this instance it is a well written law and speech is protected if you use speech to express what you are feeling...fine
but there is no protection of expression outside of your speech or sign language in the case of the finger


here is one person whos argued for graffiti as speech but it gets old quick
https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.ph ... 23&EXT=pdf

but most state constitutions cover freedom of expression you would have to read your state constitution to see if it addresses it specifically

[Meliva]

A wonderful comment be Churchill does a good job explaining capitalism vs socialism.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

Like it's been said, look at how things have changed thanks to capitalism. More people are out of poverty then ever before. And in capitalist countries like America, even our poorest citizens are still often better off then many folks in other countries.

[William one eye]

Wait....

When did biden 2020 go from being science fiction.
Back to politics.. ..

Biden 2020 is definitely science fiction



Btw when i said my wife was a socialist..
I mean the soft not really .socialist Euopean type hippy social welfare state

Not pro full on socialist military state.

Either way Shes still voting trump.
And she got citizenship about a month ago. So she does not even need to use some dead persons ssn

[William one eye]

Lol California should succeed, they are too good for us.

I think the reason they still have the 40% increased chance is because people like you keep giving them shit about it.

Yes.....

But i feel opposite on the reasoning.
Get those sicko kid touchers out of my country

Viva cascadia.

Press 2 for egnlesa


Blue i love the fact that you counter point.
Its unfortunate you dont have more idividual thoughts backing your point of view, but at least your giving it a shot.
In these discussions. Nothing wrong with inclusive society.
Nothing wrong with some social welfare.
I strongly oppose government interfearence.
So i cant side with you on your suggested directionality.
Helping people is cool. Accepting people that dont fit in is cool.
Helping people that are disadvantaged is cool.

Forcing people that dissagree with me on this to help.
Not really cool.

Goverment intervention to make you help people.
Really uncool.

If you a not a heartless person. Just open your wallet and help.


Lots of people are total heartless dueschbags.
No ammount of protest or government intervention is going to change this..

Big goverment has never bettered anyones llife.

Prove me wrong with examples if you can

[The Lamb]

Dman, i hate that i am going to do this, but i guess it could be argued that expression is speech, so i could see where it COULD fall under the 1st, however, with that being said... Blue, no where in the first amendment does it say anyone has to believe what anyone else is saying I am free to say im a toaster, it doesn't obligate you to call me General Electric.

and i will argue that me punching blue in the nose is an expression and it is not covered under the first

neither is graffiti or the other bs on buildings against the owners will that is being labeled protected speech and fines being handed out for removing it

you can argue many things but in this instance it is a well written law and speech is protected if you use speech to express what you are feeling...fine
but there is no protection of expression outside of your speech or sign language in the case of the finger


here is one person whos argued for graffiti as speech but it gets old quick
https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.ph ... 23&EXT=pdf

but most state constitutions cover freedom of expression you would have to read your state constitution to see if it addresses it specifically

Oh trust me Dman, i firmly believe that a persons rights stop as soon as they infringe on another persons rights! I think only fascist would try to infringe on other peoples rights and property to instill fear and temp down different point of views.

[Meliva]

To be fair Will, big government does improve some folks lives. Namely the ones in power. Though the majority tend to suffer. Though I get what you were implying and agree. Big government typically isn't a good idea. Sure, sometimes it might work for a while, but if the wrong folks get into power, then it ends poorly for most folk.

[Leo]

Dman, i hate that i am going to do this, but i guess it could be argued that expression is speech, so i could see where it COULD fall under the 1st, however, with that being said... Blue, no where in the first amendment does it say anyone has to believe what anyone else is saying I am free to say im a toaster, it doesn't obligate you to call me General Electric.

Also, blue, we already know that you have issues with knowing forms of governments and economics so im going to give you as slide. Capitalism isnt the problem. You see capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system, while socialism/communism has done more to bring more people down to object poverty

The proof is in Baltimore.

For someone who wants everyone to have an open mind, i have yet to hear you, with all the information you have been given, change one opinion. Maybe you just dont want to see, and thats fine, but atleast you know

Actually, I have changed opinions. I used to have a much different opinion on riots. I try to keep an open mind as much as possible, and with that open mind I found my current opinions. That means that all things considered I still believe what I do. What I don't understand is how socialism and communism could bring poverty. Sure, they don't bring wealth, but they don't bring poverty either. Its against their nature. There really is not much money to have in that kind of system, and everyone is more or less economically equal. Now I still believe that we have never seen either, but I guess that just depends on what you count as communism/socialism.

As for the freedom of expression thing, I guess I wasn't really thinking about it how you guys are. I mean it's a constitutional freedom to be able to wave a blm or a Trump flag around, and that ain't religion or speech. I guess expression could be counted as an extension of speech. As long as it's in a non-violent way, it's legal.

[Mack]

so youre a lawyer eh

[Meliva]

Blue, let me explain WHY socialism and communism brings poverty even IF it somehow worked out the way you want it to. You see, in those systems they are flawed because they try to make everyone economically equal. In such a society, why would someone decide to spend several years going in medical school to become a doctor, if they would still be equal to a person who dropped outta highschool and became a janitor? Why would anyone bother to take the risk to start a new business, if they know that every worker they hire get's an equal cut and say? Why bother trying to get ahead when the society you live in is DESIGNED to MAKE everyone equal?

With no motivation for anyone to try to excel and make the most of their life, things stagnate. Pretty soon, your society is filled with bottom of the barrel folks who just do the bare minimum because they know the society will keep everyone equal. There would be a severe lack of college level jobs like doctors, engineers, accountants, etc because why bother spending several years to get a job that won't make any better off then an easier job? Then, the government, will eventually run out of money to keep funding their social programs, since, with no one doing any high end jobs, or starting businesses, and most rich folks probably fleeing the country asap, the economy collapses and sh*t hits the fan.

Equality is something that sounds nice, sure, but it isn't as great as people think. People, are not equal. Some are smarter then others, some are stronger, some are more ambitious. They should all have equal chance and opportunity to do something, but you should not force equality onto them. That makes those who would excel feel no desire to even try.

Also, please note that when I speak of equality I am merely talking from a skill perspective, not a race or religion or any other matter.

Edit- Also, there are methods of expression that are not violent that I think should not be done(at least not in public). For example, I recall hearing of a woman who painted by putting paint balls in her lady bits or something. Would rather not have someone like that doing that in public