TRUMP 2020!

[Lachlan]

what do you mean? he used hypothetical situations as examples, to explain how following a religion has effects on some peoples lives.

yes but that's a bit of a strange comparison though like how is that similar and relatable and a valid comparison

[Lachlan]

You know, I am Catholic but i dont ever really practice, and i hate to say it in the ether, but i think a big problem is the lack of religion in youth today. Bare with me, even with all religions faults, the one thing it did do was bring the promise of hell and eternal damnation if you killed others or yourself and the inverse was to live forever in heaven if you did well.

With social media being the new "religion", these people look for salvation and fame online without the consequences of Hell to keep them from acting out these atrocities. Now they go commit these crimes, off them selves and live forever online and in these conversations.

Oh and Danik, you could be right about "blaming" all those reasons as red herrings, but by your logic, so is blaming guns. "That person lost their mind, there were signs, they were abused, they were bullied when they were 6, ban guns from everyone else, its monday." Yeah your right, all BS

I disagree all you need is common sense that killing is wrong unless necessary and also be more aware of what other people might be feeling and show a bit of kindness and try and help the person who wants to kill someone or possibly does, religion I feel has absolutely nothing to do with killing

[Dmanwuzhere]

put whoopings back in school both from peers and teachers
these brats wanna kill someone for making fun of them and suddenly its the guns fault

i fought in school and some of my best friends came from those fights
respect was earned by winning or losing and most of the time a suspension could be avoided by an apology and a handshake
now they grow up with no respect and wanna kill for it

but the irony of it all is when i hear someone petition against guns due to kids killed but support abortion ... hypocrite much
seems like some abortion tools are due for banning lol

Abortion is neccesary though in some cases like say the mother is in danger and could die if she has the baby. If the mother dies the child could die before it is born but if you do abortion then you could save the mother but not the child

less than 1 percent of abortions fall under those guidelines

[xxTaaaaylorxx]

"a school shooter or a pregnant woman who was irresponsible during sex".....what is wrong with you????

Both could benefit from religion if you feel otherwise you may be a school shooter in disguise.
If you murder a baby or shoot a child both are equally evil.
By the current climate, I am a woman and if you are a white male with privilege who descends from slave owners or a male at all you
can have no opinion here.
God, I love identity politics,

[Leo the Conqueror]

Religion is almost never a bad thing unless it is a cult... but I doubt that the reason for school shootings is lack of religion. And what religion are you talking about, Draque? Atheism is still a religion, you know.

Again, Micheal Moore uncovered the actual reason that the US has so many shootings compared to other countries. No, it's not guns, it's not race, it's not religion. It's our media. And, if it makes you more comfortable to trust him, he was an active NRA member at the time of making that movie.

The media in the US is made to scare people. Not the "OMG there's a killer in my house" kind of scare, but a more subtle scare. Like when it was all over the news around 2001 that there were a bunch of killer bees coming to NA and we were expected to drop up to 20% of our population. And guess what? Other North American countries weren't saying that. And the bees never even came.

Even if the sheer number of guns in this country isn't the culprit to why there are so many shootings in the US, it definitely doesn't help. I know it's your rights or whatever but there is no reason that anyone outside the military should be legally allowed to possess weapons as deadly as AR-15s. When the founding fathers created the bill of rights and the second amendment, the most advanced "arms" were not much more than single-shot muzzleloaders. They didn't expect people to take that to mean "we can carry around guns that shoot multiple rounds per second and expect other people to be comfortable around me".

[Dmanwuzhere]

Religion is almost never a bad thing unless it is a cult... but I doubt that the reason for school shootings is lack of religion. And what religion are you talking about, Draque? Atheism is still a religion, you know.

Again, Micheal Moore uncovered the actual reason that the US has so many shootings compared to other countries. No, it's not guns, it's not race, it's not religion. It's our media. And, if it makes you more comfortable to trust him, he was an active NRA member at the time of making that movie.

The media in the US is made to scare people. Not the "OMG there's a killer in my house" kind of scare, but a more subtle scare. Like when it was all over the news around 2001 that there were a bunch of killer bees coming to NA and we were expected to drop up to 20% of our population. And guess what? Other North American countries weren't saying that. And the bees never even came.

Even if the sheer number of guns in this country isn't the culprit to why there are so many shootings in the US, it definitely doesn't help. I know it's your rights or whatever but there is no reason that anyone outside the military should be legally allowed to possess weapons as deadly as AR-15s. When the founding fathers created the bill of rights and the second amendment, the most advanced "arms" were not much more than single-shot muzzleloaders. They didn't expect people to take that to mean "we can carry around guns that shoot multiple rounds per second and expect other people to be comfortable around me".

a shotgun can deliver 30 rounds in under as many seconds and in a building such a salvo would do more damage than an ar15
as for what the founding fathers believe i know you are no expert but

thomas jefferson believed
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." and he removed his ending that was on another quote which was
“within his own lands or tenements”
and what made the decision for his final delivery was
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”

so you get an idea of how his mind was working and how it ended up being written
and you can research the others so that you are not ignorant on what they believed instead of telling me what they knew or didnt know

but i can tell you it was not illegal to own a puckle gun a ferguson rifle a girandoni or even many cannons on your ships all of which actually performed better than the current military guns of the time

by the way one of my favorite movies for my kids was red dawn you should watch it
while it is only acting it could just as easily be a reality and i prefer my kids to be comfortable around firearms
my youngest daughter has had a 12 gauge and a 22 pistol with alternating special rounds for more damage since she was 8
and none of my kids have been school shooters as they know the routine

you try to get a teacher to intervene bu approaching them and informing them of the situation
if you cannot get to the teacher without being hit you start the ball by decking the threat
if you do reach the teacher and no suitable end to the problem occurs then you ask to see the principle

guns are for threats that can seriously maime you or others at home not school fists are for school if your mind fails to reach a resolve
the end

[Most Lee Harmless]

unless you are an extreme islamic believer who can claim a beheading yesterday
using the crusades and other killings forever ago has no bearing unless the religion is still doing it today

i dont subscribe to religion because i break some rules as often as i like and since seeking forgiveness over and over knowing i will do it again
doesnt sit right with the whole forgiveness thing i juust dont bother but i do see the value it has in society to better people within its embrace

of course it frowns on killing homosexuality and a myriad of other behaviors so i understand your cynicism and pessimistic outlook danik
how dare a religion tell you that you are wrong...

but at the end of the day a school shooter or a pregnant woman who was irresponsible during sex would have a higher chance of not committing murder if they subscribed to a religion

I wont even bother to list conflicts founded on religious differences in the modern age. I would mention one I have personal experience of but thats a distraction from the point made which is that being raised in a religion is no guide to the moral or ethical nature of the resultant adult.
Old Ignatius Loyola may have reassured us otherwise but having attended a Jesuit-run school the answer is plainly, nope.

Dman can make his usual cracks about homosexuality but its all part of the hypocrisy : their good books frown on it yet the priests and mullahs engage it in. It's rules for us, not for them. He posts about hating child-molesters.. go look in the religious institutions, plenty of them been hidden there for decades.

Cynical? Moi?

Re: another post made on atheism : no, it is not a 'religion' anymore than stamp collecting is a 'religion'. It, like stamp-collecting, can bear similarities in having proponents who act with a like zealotry or obsessive evangelising manner but atheism is not a religion. A religion requires acceptance and worship of a higher being or beings, generally non-human, and according to a set of beliefs and dogmas about the nature of those beings. Atheists simply do not believe in such beings.

It is not a given that as an athiest may hold to, or value, moral or ethical ideals shared with some religions that they thus become 'religious' themselves. Organised religion does not hold an exclusive monopoly on moral standards or ethical behaviours. If anything, observation indicates that the abiding tenets of organised religion are hypocrisy, exclusion and the justification of hatred towards those who do not share their belief structure.

[Mack]

does that make it ok or dies that mean there are crooked people everywhere? idk lifes not perfect like a calculator

[Dmanwuzhere]

unless you are an extreme islamic believer who can claim a beheading yesterday
using the crusades and other killings forever ago has no bearing unless the religion is still doing it today

i dont subscribe to religion because i break some rules as often as i like and since seeking forgiveness over and over knowing i will do it again
doesnt sit right with the whole forgiveness thing i juust dont bother but i do see the value it has in society to better people within its embrace

of course it frowns on killing homosexuality and a myriad of other behaviors so i understand your cynicism and pessimistic outlook danik
how dare a religion tell you that you are wrong...

but at the end of the day a school shooter or a pregnant woman who was irresponsible during sex would have a higher chance of not committing murder if they subscribed to a religion

I wont even bother to list conflicts founded on religious differences in the modern age. I would mention one I have personal experience of but thats a distraction from the point made which is that being raised in a religion is no guide to the moral or ethical nature of the resultant adult.
Old Ignatius Loyola may have reassured us otherwise but having attended a Jesuit-run school the answer is plainly, nope.

Dman can make his usual cracks about homosexuality but its all part of the hypocrisy : their good books frown on it yet the priests and mullahs engage it in. It's rules for us, not for them. He posts about hating child-molesters.. go look in the religious institutions, plenty of them been hidden there for decades.

Cynical? Moi?

crack about homosexuality? if you subscribe to a religion and there are rules against homosexuality thats not a crack its a fact
you are free to become buddhist and utilize the third precept however certain sects will not advance someone of the lgbtq community
religion is a very simple idea although it depends on the very simple idea that you yourself are open to change

i would bet there are homos and child molesters in every religion as well as in those who dont subscribe to religion
but at the end of the day when you take in the number of those who subscribe vs the amount of those who break the rules of religion
the percentile will not support your argument

the fact is you yourself are responsible for your behavior unless you show me where any religious text calls for homosexuality or child molestation
within a/the community
most religions are real clear as to the standards of that religion
those who break the rules do so knowingly and intentionally are cowards hiding behind a religion.

your religious argument is as backward as the gun argument you present
you blame religion you blame the gun
but at the end of the day it will always be the person utilizing the gun or the person holding a religious text that decides they are above the law and/or the religious book of choice

mcdonalds makes people fat
tea makes your teeth brown
the sun burns you like a lobster

it can never be the person because that requires accountability for ones own actions/beliefs gotta love a world wherein you are never wrong and all these things are peoples downfall

i speed my car is like a rocket and i do it daily if ever i am responsible for the death of someone due to my driving habits and was charged with murder i would plead guilty
i wont argue that they were slow and in the fast lane
or any other factor that could be a legal loophole
my choice my consequence

your argument: they made my car too fast... gtfoh

[Most Lee Harmless]

I have never blamed the gun. I do blame the lax way we allow it to be kept and used. I dont blame fast cars. I love them. I have raced them. But not on a public highway where my joy comes at tge risk of other peoples grief. I adore motor-bikes. I adore riding them at speed. But not on the sidewalk.

Personal responsibility does not mean just holding your hands up when you eff up and doing the time resultant. It means taking responsibility to ensure you never have to put your hands up and accept guilt.