TRUMP 2020!

[Lachlan]

Greta Thunberg is a great inspiration to young people across the globe. And she's the wake up call that the world needs.

Don't act like we aren't doing enough ourselves.

We are the ones that will have to deal with the consequences of a climate crisis. We are the ones that will have to come up with a solution to mass flooding. We are the ones that will have to figure out a way to purify air. We are the ones that will have to deal with the devastating economic impact that climate change is going to have.

So don't give me that "you're just paranoid" garbage.

I do not think that the generations before us didn't know or care about the environmental problems that we are facing. You think I don't know about the 60s and 70s?

But generations before mine, specifically the silent generation and baby boomers, have massively contributed to changing the system to pollute and obliterate the environment. The rest just followed. I think that they should do their fair share and clean up after themselves! Don't deny the problem that you created. Work towards a solution.

Our fact based solution - and a big hope for us - was called the green new deal. But no. It was blocked by a 78-year-old man who doesn't have to face the consequences of the problem the he and other people started and contributed to.

I disagree a bit, Greta says the governments of the world are failing which is not true. There are quite a few countries that are or will be 100% renewable in the next few years. She doesn't really mention a plan but just says that they are failing our generation. Most are not. Some are sure but people like her are saying if you don't change in 5 years or something to 100% renewable everyone will die which is not true. Countries would go bankrupt if they tried to do that. Besides it takes time to build the wind turbines or solar panels or whatever the proper name is for those hydroelectric thing

[Lachlan]

Pence said that, but he said so many things last night that were untrue.

I have provided 0 facts? I guess you haven't been paying attention.

so did that other person whats her face whats yoyr point they all lie all the time whats your point

i guess you think youre slick


so can you tell ma any facts about the new green deal?

I have a fact, it is called the green new deal.

[Argo]

I just got off the phone.

Here is the direct transcript:

Me: "Hi, um I'd like to know, in regards to climate change if you can confidently say, as a climatologist, that climate change is real, and not just theory? I've been debating some people who seem to be a little on the skeptical side. "

Climatologist: "There is a certain point where with, um, with enough evidence you can, you can accurately say that climate change is real and is a real problem. And So we have enough evidence to, to, to safely say that these climate models are factual, not just predictions. And you sound like a bright young man, and if you, if you want my opinion, if you want my opinion, you are wasting your time debating with these folks. Some people just can't and won't, uh, have their mind changed, even if science is against it."

Me: "Thank you, sir. They asked me to ask you a question. They said to ask if the predictions about how climate change will affect our future, if they are absolute facts or just theory?


Climatologist: "Hey, you're very welcome. And to answer your friend's question, um, well we can't say that something that hasn't happened yet, we can't say that they are fact. But I strongly believe that, that the predictions are very, very accurate, so we can be sure that they are telling the truth."

Me: "Once again, thank you."

Climatologist: "You are very welcome."

What?

Secondly..Don't assume to know me.

.I've never said I didn't believe we have problems. I've never said I don't care about the environment - I am hippie ffs!! Long before you came into this world I was hugging trees. I grew up in the topics on a boat barefoot on an island - on the great barrier reef - you think I have no understanding of the oceans, the life within them? I am no scientist - I am no expert. I do have personal experience and a dep love of my environment. I hung out with others like me, many of whom were environmentalists and scientists themselves who were very involved in protecting and preserving the reef and all the life contained within.

You don't have to be hysterical and grasp at paper straws to get your point across. And you don't have to run everybody else down doing it.

Looking after the planet is not something new for your generation Mustach and Kim.
You act like nobody cared or did anything let alone knew anything before you came along.

It did not start with your generation and Greta - (did she get some councelling?) - that child has been frightened out of her wits - by people who sprout irrational ' the world is ending - we are all going to die ' - As someone else mentioned - stop complaining and bitching at everyone and start putting your fact-based solutions forward.

Bah!

hang on I said nothing of that sort

Sorry Kim - I had you in the back of my mind for this one -
>>>well once we start thinking of ourselves as a species instead of as separate countries there probably would be a official global earth language<<

I agree humanity would benefit from better connections.
Personally, I find the idea of globalisation as you speak of it, as horrifying. One central bank. One central government. OMG. The stuff of which nightmares are made. Have you read any books on this subject yet? Who will sit at the top? And how will they get there? What would be the cost to you?
The loss of cultures and traditions is appalling as it is...so there goes history too - Let alone individuality, creativity and freedom.

Oh yes - I remember now -Diversity - that's what pinned you in my mind. You have to have diversity or contrast or you just don't grow. You become stagnant and enslaved. It applies across the board - including nature - including climate change and weather anomalies.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I just got off the phone.

Here is the direct transcript:

Me: "Hi, um I'd like to know, in regards to climate change if you can confidently say, as a climatologist, that climate change is real, and not just theory? I've been debating some people who seem to be a little on the overzealous side. "

Climatologist: "There is a certain point where with, um, with enough evidence you can, you can accurately say that climate change is real and is a real problem. And So we have enough evidence to, to, to safely say that these climate models are factual, not just predictions. And you sound like a bright young man, and if you, if you want my opinion, if you want my opinion, you are wasting your time debating with these folks. Some people just can't and won't, uh, have their mind changed, even if science is against it."

Me: "Thank you, sir. They asked me to ask you a question. They said to ask if the predictions about how climate change will affect our future, if they are absolute facts or just theory?


Climatologist: "Hey, you're very welcome. And to answer your friend's question, um, well we can't say that something that hasn't happened yet, we can't say that they are fact. But I strongly believe that, that the predictions that say gay sex causes too many farts will continue to impact the world not only with global warming but will indeed one day make the rest of the world smell like New York, so we can be sure that they are telling the truth."

Me: "Once again, thank you."

Climatologist: "You are very welcome."



WOW my phone call to someone was very similiar to yours but my guy still sounds as kooky as yours

[DezNutz]

Dez, there is a difference between having different opinions and being an idiot.

Not always. If you have an opinion that is based on idiocy, and after being explain the idiocy, you continue to hold that opinion, you are an idiot.

[Leo]

You must think you are so swift. You must think that you have proven me wrong, thus an idiot.

Notice that there are many people posting here who are right on the spectrum, and I'm pretty much the only one on the left. You're not more correct than me, your voice is just louder. I garunteed you that you wouldn't stand a chance by yourself against 5 leftists.

[Lachlan]

You must think you are so swift. You must think that you have proven me wrong, thus an idiot.

Notice that there are many people posting here who are right on the spectrum, and I'm pretty much the only one on the left. You're not more correct than me, your voice is just louder. I garunteed you that you wouldn't stand a chance by yourself against 5 leftists.

I'm probably closer to you on the left than anyone else, I'm just basically pointing out when I am 100% sure people are wrong though so you probably don't realize. I also read somewhere that when you are younger you are like moderate left and when you get older you slowly go to the right

[Meliva]

You must think you are so swift. You must think that you have proven me wrong, thus an idiot.

Notice that there are many people posting here who are right on the spectrum, and I'm pretty much the only one on the left. You're not more correct than me, your voice is just louder. I garunteed you that you wouldn't stand a chance by yourself against 5 leftists.

I'm probably closer to you on the left than anyone else, I'm just basically pointing out when I am 100% sure people are wrong though so you probably don't realize. I also read somewhere that when you are younger you are like moderate left and when you get older you slowly go to the right

I think it was Winston Churchill who once said that if you are under 30 and are not a liberal you have no heart, if you are over 30 and are not a conservative you have no brain.

Ultimately though, I consider myself a centrist, though I do lean more to the right then the left admittedly. Though depending on the issue, I might be more left leaning then right.

[The Lamb]

Yeah, I always voted the person not the party Blue till now.

Man, good thing you weren't around/old enough for y2K and 2012 Blue. The weak minded lost their sh$t thinking the world was going to come to an end because the Mayan calendar predicted it and in Y2k computers worldwide were gonna crash leading to the collapse of society as we know it, wars were going to break out, cars driving off cliffs because of gps malfunctions, and dogs would be f$#king cats, im talking pure pandemonium.

Some sold their homes, stocks, bank accounts emptied all because they were sure, ths science showed some that the Mayans has a secret knowledge the world would end in 2012 and before that others were sure because computer scientists told them Windows and chipsets wouldnt work after 2000.

Trillions were spent on upgrades and security because those damn earlier generations never thought to safeguard the systems... People just like you thought the rest of us were idiots Why cant we just see!!! they would say.

And the it happened... Jan, 1st 2000... the calendar on outlook didnt say 1900

But in 2000 scientists got wealthy, creators of the dooms day models got wealthy, authors of the dooms day books got wealthy, some people died, some people lost everything, and the rest of the world who actually dont really like Michael Moore movies, just kept going with life and went to work.

But in 2012 scientists got wealthy, creators of the dooms day models got wealthy, authors of the dooms day books got wealthy, some people died, some people lost everything, and the rest of the world who actually dont really like Michael Moore movies, just kept going with life and went to work.

For the record, im am sorry that you were scared to death from the 2050 project.

There was a time when we didnt want our kids to be political, we just wanted them to be kids. That's the real crime here. Oh, btw... my generation and the one before is why you have clean air, clean drinking water, and your not eating led paint. We are the reason you recycle, the reason you can hope to see more wind turbines and solar arrays. We are also the reason fisheries are managed and different species of fish are returning to rivers that once we loaded with PCB's.

Sadly we are also the reason you were coddled so much and life was so lacking in excitement that you had to search for causes to make you feel like you were doing more than just loafing around your parents house and that you were making a difference.

Sorry blue, we did fail you, we let you grow up to be such sensationalist primadonna's No trees in 2050, come on man! Use your head!

[Meliva]

yeah anyone who seriously believes there will be no trees in 2050 is deuluded. Every day when i walk to work, I pass by an entire long row of trees. Then again, I live in Kansas, which is more or less the middle of nowhere .

Edit- I will also say that local politics in Kansas largely don't talk about environmental issues. Least not from what I've seen. We mostly focus on what is good or not good for our farmers, our gun rights, and abortion. I suppose it's hard to take folks seriously who talk about trees dying and nature being ruined when you're more or less surrounded by it.

I will say that I would like it if we could clean up the Arkansas river. Runs through my city and that damn thing is just filthy. Course, doing that would require Colorado to help out, since it starts in their state I believe-and we would need to try to get Oklahoma and other states that it also runs through to keep it clean, so we won't be wasting our time.