Biden 2020

[William one eye]

Just sayin, Be careful what you wish for

[The Lamb]

Oh come on Will, Mao's call for a social revolution to combat societal inequalities that he called the grassroots socialism campaign worked well for the Chinese people didn't it?

No complaints right lol

[William one eye]

To be honest i think they just beat the crap out of protesters these day or make them quietly dissappear. Its not like the good old days when they had them mowed down by the army or just ran them over with tanks. It is the peoples country after all.


Once the guns and cops are gone its not hard to run things properly to help everyone out.

[William one eye]

Mostly peaceful is not peaceful.

All White people are privilaged. What

Rich people are privaliged. End of story.

Ever heard of a company town?
Indetured servitude to become a citizen?
Join the union army to become a citizen?

Only a small percentage of the slave coast
"African american " slaves ended up in the United states
Most ended up in the carribean or south america.


And.... who sold them to us?


How many people do you think actually owned slaves.
Most people could not afford them.

Harrassing conservatives for supporting trump is opression.
Like free speech. It goes both ways.

Cancel culture. A not all in Lib is not your lib so get them fired.
Wtf.

Looters, vandals and rioters are doing the
Current civil rights movement a disservice.
By painting all pogressived as jackasses.

Tearing down columbus statues.
Fyi columbus never made it to the usa

Actually he was kind of a turd. But he did not actually do it here.
If an indiginous person wants a columbus statutue gone i support it. If someone with white guilt wants it gone to make them selves feel better, i dont.

Confederate democrat statues. Rip em down. Legally.

if your town still
Gets tourist revenue from slave supported history.
Im ok with the town paying reperations, to direct lineage if they dont want to remove statues, plantations,ect. Part of the revenue should go where its owed, otherwise the town is still profiting off the slavery it once supported.
I do not support reperations, paid by general tax payers.
There is almost no way this could be done fairly.
I could maybe support a income tax deduction for those who have direct lineage.

Robbing small buisness only hurts your neighborhood.

Robbing globalists brands. ? Might as well vote trump and hurt them legally.

Roiters are young punks that are using the movement as an excuse to get their rocks off and destroy stuff.

Looters are using the movement as an excuse to steal stuff.

Blm is a plot by communists to incite civil dissobedience.
I belive this 100%
Hey communist are still afforded the right to assemble and
Have their voice heard in this great nation.
I wish people were more knowledgable about who they supported.

The average blm protestor is horribly uniformed.
But may have good intentions at heart, maybe they feel guilt,
Or maybe they want better for themselves and others . Fair enough.
do i support the good hearted intent of the fully peaceful protestors yes.
Do i support the initiators of the movement no.


The criminal justice system is broken.
Cops are just doing their job.
The people who broke the criminal justice system
Are your choices? How does this make sense.

Im from Detroit. A city killed by riots in the name of civil rights.
The finishing blow was dealt by globalism killing off jobs.
When i grew up there it was a gang war zone.
I had italian family that immigrated to flee the facists.
I had irish family that immigrated to flee starvation.
We did not arrive here rich and privaliged.
My family members arrived here in ship cargo holds with only the clothes on their backs.

My wifes family is from Tanganyika.
They ended up in sudan.
They left during the first civil war.
They moved to Jamacia.
In the late 70s jamacian political partieswould just kill members of the oopposing party. My wife knew people that were killed in riots and lootings that just happened to live in the neighborhood with political targets.

I consider myself independent. Im not above voting for a democrat that i truly believe in. But these are not them.
I even voted green party for Ralph Nader. I think in 2000.

My wife is a flat out socialist

Guess what, We are both voting Trump.


@blue
Grow up and get informed or dont talk politics.

Im open to your opinion. Dont claim to have a real one and then claim to be a child. If you belive it and speak it, you are in the world of adults. Thats ok even if your just comming into it. If your going to talk the talk walk the walk.
Grow a pair. Your either identify jewish or just not make it part of the argument.
Might want to specify if its heritage association only from the start.
Your either progressive, conservative, fringe or some sort of a hybrid, you either support violent uprising, for your cause or you dont.


Figure it out and stand for it

Dont belive whatever cnn wants you to belive.
Dont parrot something hearsay.
Belive what YOU want to believe in.
Dont wish wash to appease me, the liberal mob, or anyone else.
Even if you fall in some hybrid logic.
Its ok to change you mind in either direction as you learn.

If you do your reasearch, and you still belive it.
I support you. Its sad the cancel libs dont feel the same,
Opposing viewpoints is what make this country what it is.
For better or for worse.

By the way, @ both libs and conservatives America is a continent, not just the USA

[Leo]

Umm, you definately have some interesting opinions, some of them I can agree with, some of them I can't, and some of them are just all out whack. I'm not sure what you were saying at the end about my opinions because it was pretty unclear. The first two sentences after @blue contradicted each other. And I don't believe that there is a need for me to specify if I am religiously or just ethnically Jewish from the beginning, because why does it really matter? Should that change how what I say is received? Of course not.

By the way, I rarely use CNN for information. I am a bit tired of people in this forum solely attacking CNN and not ever Fox, because both of them aren't very credible.

And stop blaming the fact that I have different opinions than you on my age, what information I'm getting, stuff like that. People will have different opinions from each other. Maybe Trumpers don't understand how anyone could have a different opinion, but believe me some of the stuff I see here makes me question humanity's sanity as a whole. If someone has a different opinion than you, it doesn't mean that they are uneducated, stupid, young, or anything (although I am fairly younger than you). People's opinions are primarily based on what information they see most, their parents political opinions, where they grew up, what class their family was, etc.

By the way, I've never really understood what people meant by "cancel culture". I know what it means, but I don't think it's as big as some people make it out to be. And yes, the constitution grants us many freedoms, but that does not mean that it has to be like that forever. For instance, even though "they have the right to do it", I believe that hate speech should be illegal because, well, it's only purpose is to try to provoke people into violence. By hate speech I don't mean like people calling each other idiots and morons, but I mean like a white person going around screaming the n word and other racial slurs. You may disagree. Just because you have the "right" to do it doesn't mean that you should do it, and it doesn't mean that you should always have that right. Laws change, people change. If we stick strongly to laws that were made over 200 years ago and don't question how they hold up in modern day society, then we really aren't thinking clearly enough to be running a country. Think about it. Slaves were legal. Slave owners had the right to own slaves. Did that make it a good thing? Absolutely not. If people just said "we have the right to do it" and walked off, honestly we probably would still have slavery. See my point?

[William one eye]

You had a president of African descent and joe biden for 8 years. i believe they even had full democratic senate backing for part of that time. How come they didnt start fixing things then.

Heck George Soros individual probably had more positve impact on the advancement of minority groups during that time.

I do not consider fox or cnn news.
They are just self gratifying propaganda.

Most news is biased to one side or the other. Thats unlikely to change. I do prefer my news to cover the full story, not just give me a headline and tell me what to think.


I will have to go back and get specifics from your posts.
But the comments at you.
You argued points as jewish heritage. Then got offended when people expected you to have the same beliefs as the jewish religion. Its fine to consider them separately, but most of my jewish freinds can read write and speak hebrew, they eat kosher food, and are religious.

You have argued most of the time here as a adult. Even though
We know you are young. Your voice is accepted aa an adult.
Then you said something to meliva like dont expect things of me im not an adult. Maybe i missunderstood your meaning.

The cnn thing ... maybe its not cnn. Maybe its the standard progressive arguing points. But they are dead on, the same verbatim arguments i hear from all the progressive people i know.

[The Lamb]

Blue, I understand you are tired of people bringing up your age, i believe they are trying to give you a pass on some of what you say as due to being young, naive and inexperienced. You seem to flip flop your message from educated well thought out to to communist prisoner who just left re-education camp.

To Wills' point, the only people who believe some of what you say are those who dont know better, want to send money to the prince in the email who needs help moving his gold, or those who want power. People are assuming that your not a moron, non running for office and are just inexperienced.

There is a reason you see very few 40 something or highers at supporting these new ideas. This social democrat movement is just communism dressed up to sound nice and pretty, its the same thing castro did in Cuba. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.

[Meliva]

That kind of logic is again, asinine. The only kind of speech that should not be allowed, is things like yelling fire in a crowded theater. But if a white man wants to go around yelling slurs and insults he has the right to do it. Now I think he shouldn't do it, and if he get's his arse kicked he brought it on himself, but he shouldn't be arrested for speaking.

There are many ways you can provoke people into violence. You could insult them, their mother, their family, etc. Should all that be illegal too? What about folks like those in BLM who talk about how cops should be killed? Would you consider that hate speech and have them locked up? I don't. I think what they are saying is stupid, and they shouldn't say it, but they have the right to say it.

[The Lamb]

That kind of logic is again, asinine. The only kind of speech that should not be allowed, is things like yelling fire in a crowded theater. But if a white man wants to go around yelling slurs and insults he has the right to do it. Now I think he shouldn't do it, and if he get's his arse kicked he brought it on himself, but he shouldn't be arrested for speaking.

There are many ways you can provoke people into violence. You could insult them, their mother, their family, etc. Should all that be illegal too? What about folks like those in BLM who talk about how cops should be killed? Would you consider that hate speech and have them locked up? I don't. I think what they are saying is stupid, and they shouldn't say it, but they have the right to say it.

+1

Dont forget Mel, teachers have been teaching that words you dont like are violence . Sounds like people who have never been puched in the face saying this, but sounds like they should be...you know as an experiment, their own truth vrs fact

So i think that is were he gets it. For the record blue, words are words, violence is violence.

[Leo]

Mel, did you hear what I said? Just because they have the right to do something, doesn't mean that they should have that right.

Again, the world has never seen communism as it was meant to be, as Marx had envisioned it. What we think of as communism, Soviet Union, Cuba, China, isn't really communism at all because there is a dictator. You must admit, if communism was done right for once it could be the best thing to happen to the world. But I'm no communist. I don't like it all that much, Socialism makes more sense and seems better to me. And socialism has been successfully pulled off many times, without a dictator getting in the way. Anyway, the reason that most people that support these progressive ideas are under 40 is because, well, the ideas effect them the most. Why would some 75 year old man care about how the world will be in 30 years? But, let me tell you, young people are the future. You better start expecting these ideas being implemented, just as soon as we are old enough to run for Congress and hold political positions. If you don't like it, that's fine. You are welcome to share your opinions, and try to make change by calling your senators, writing bills, and hell maybe even running for a political position yourself. I guess what I'm saying is that this country is about to get a LOT more progressive. Don't expect things to always be the same.