[FIXED] King/Queen Without Completing Nation Missions

[Dmanwuzhere]

right ... the mechanics... show us the coding mos lee retarded

ooh i see an admin baiting report needing sent .... i love returning yours and stans reports

[DezNutz]

The argument is not 'moot'. It has simply been nerfed due to decisions made in the past regarding monarchical powers. Decisions which ignored historical accuracy in favour of gameplay. This matter repeats that argument : to ignore historical accuracy in favour of gameplay. Thus you arguing that a King may, or may not, have historically accurate powers is moot, the game has already denied that.


Thus the current argument is one of gameplay and the wish of some to modify the current outcomes of existing gameplay to better suit their personal agenda.

No the existing game play should either follow how the mechanism is described to work or the description on how it works needs to be adjusted to match game play. That's what we call a game bug, which I reported. I also posted a suggestion on how I believe it should work based on the description. Regardless of how I think it should work, it's still a bug as the mechanism is not working as described.

[ChaIbaud]

Thus the current argument is one of gameplay and the wish of some to modify the current outcomes of existing gameplay to better suit their personal agenda.

It's not how the game says it works, so its not an issue of modifying outcomes of existing gameplay but one of modifying outcomes to what the game would have happen. I have also had issues with becoming King after some nation appointings, comings, and goings, and paying the incorrect tax bracket. These aren't intended features.

Also, your quote above describes literally every game change since the beginning of this server.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Where does it say that the game does not work that way? It does not. We assume the game works in such a way. And, we discover yet again that assumption is the mother of all clusterfarts.

[ChaIbaud]

The text guide plainly states that you gain titles by completing missions for your country. If you keep asserting that this is a fine mechanic and not an actual issue, perhaps you would advocate that this be changed and something along the lines of "or granted by the King, for historical accuracy and totally intended gameplay" be added.

[Most Lee Harmless]

The text guide plainly states that you gain titles by completing missions for your country. If you keep asserting that this is a fine mechanic and not an actual issue, perhaps you would advocate that this be changed and something along the lines of "or granted by the King, for historical accuracy and totally intended gameplay" be added.

Where does it state that such is the ONLY way to gain titles and ranks? It is plain that there exists a path to rank by gift of the monarch. Because it does. That this path is not mentioned in a text on the other path is not a reason to assume it does not exist. Absence of evidence is not proof of absence.

[ChaIbaud]

Everything else is described in detail, yet to prove a moot point you would default to this position. In the eye of a new player reading about game mechanics, this being the only explicit way to achieve titles is a conclusive statement: to get titles, one must complete missions. So yes, it is a reason to assume that there is no other way for one to rank up. I also believe you mucked up that 'witty' chiasmus.

To further explain, the path to find this is also exclusive to Titles, and is the only discussion contained in the Help section regarding this. "Help" -> "Titles" (under Game Mechanisms) -> "To gain titles, you must complete missions for your country."

As it stands, the issue Dez brought up could be remedied "in his favor" by limiting appointee's influence ascension to King, or by correcting the misleading information under Game Mechanisms to fit the "existing gameplay."

[Most Lee Harmless]

The guide text describes the functions of that part of the game. In the same way when you build a ship you are not thrn informed that you could also steal one : gain one via a tidal wave card : dredge one up via a shipwreck hunt or use a Commandeer card.

Neither are you offered the option of using voodoo to upgrade your ship alongside the coin amount shown to level it up.

Otherwise EVERY guide text would have to also mention EVERY other means of accomplishing the same result. Which would get messy.

Bear in mind, the option to appoint a Governor regardless of their ranking was welcome enough to Midway when a Governor was required. That, in doing so, the Monarch handed over the means to then be supplanted at a later date is amusing and this event is probably the most piratical act accomplished in the game to date. Kudos to Hightop.

[ChaIbaud]

Are you saying that the title of Governor is not related to the Titles within the game, i.e. citizen through King? Building ships is far removed from stealing ships as one involves resources, officers, and the like, whereas the other involves other player's gold amount, tail ships, voodoo, and the like. Furthermore, using gold to upgrade a ship is once more unlike using voodoo to upgrade a ship. Becoming Governor or King, however, is quite like becoming Governor or King lol. This would hardly be messy. Especially because the Game Mechanisms are already divied up into neat sections.

There are sections of text throughout the game's menus that describe what you are talking about, whether they be found in card descriptions in the Help menu or elsewhere. The only one that is obviously missing is appointed Governors, who did not necessarily complete the only stated way of achieving their rank, becoming King. Therefore, changing the text (not messy at all) or altering the gameplay to fit the current text would be appropriate.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Again : the King may bypass the nation-ranking system and appoint a Governor directly. Now, that contradicts the argument that the ONLY way to achieve rank is via the nation mission path.

If the monarch appoints you as a Governor then that is what you are. You must be to carry out tje duties. The game thus recognises you as a Governor.

If you want to argue that an appointed Governor does not hold the rank because they have not undertaken the nation missions sufficient to grant the rank then the King has no power to appoint them in the first place.

Cake and eat it. Either they are a Governor or they are not. Decide.

Hightop was Governor enough when Midway needed a governor. Their enthusiasm has waned since Hightop was Governor enough to gain the throne. It seems eating their cake has caused some indigestion.